just another dev

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It’s problematic when people conflate their gut feelings for facts.

Also troed:
I understand activitypub better than creator of Lemmy

Well, that convinced me. Thanks for your insight on the matter, I now know how to value the rest of your comments.

And in one of those cases they are violating a very clear “this is not okay” signal, and in the other they are not.

What I think or what they “may” do is irrelevant regarding public data. What matters is sending a clear signal what you are and are not okay with.

Whether you actively participate in helping them get your data or not might not effectively matter in them acquiring it, but it may heavily impact the fine they get for it afterwards. You might be okay with them getting your data for free, but I’m not, sweet summer child.

They can still train ML models (create profit) from the data they get from you without consent.

I thought it was push after subscription.

Public is not the same as public domain.

I’m not a lawyer, but Federation would probably imply consent to sharing the data. Whereas defederation would strongly imply you’re not okay with sharing the data with that entity.

So… Instances like lemmy.world, that this is posted to?

yes, I’m federated with them as well, but shit like this is why I dislike them being so big. In the end all the smaller instances can either have strong morals and integrity, or have access to the largest amount of content in the fediverse, but not both.

Lemmy allows it on a user level, since version 0.19

But since I see you’re on mbin, that don’t do you much good, I’m afraid.

I see.

As the other commenter also said: can’t you just block the LW instance on your account?

What’s the usecase for cloudflare filtering / blocking LW?

I’m aware that the latter is a huge risk in what is supposed to be a decentralised solution, but I’m not sure why you’d need to filter hundreds of communities for that (rather than defed 1 server).

Also, its not clear reddit is able to retain deleted posts. They have a vast live site to maintain - why would they ever have been focused on having an immutable back up of all deleted posts?

They do, though. Last year when there was a small exodus to Lemmy, lots of people deleted their history. Which reddit then recovered.

The truth is, marking a comment or post as deleted, literally only takes one bit to store. deleted=1 or 0. However, if you go back and overwrite all your comments (not with an identical message, because that is easy to detect) - that would take more effort to recover.

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Can you make your case why that would be a problem?

Yeah, that’s why I think it’s debatable. It’s a lot easier to make those decisions on traffic coming from a known vpn ip, versus all vps providers in the world - many of which have corporate uses.

On the other hand - if you’re smart enough to set up a vpn, you’ll also be smart enough to set up ad blocking, so the point is kinda moot anyway. Plus you’ll be a lot less likely to have your traffic logged opposed to a service vpn.

That’s debatable. In my estimation, by using a “service vpn” you’re giving advertisers some other kind of demographic information, namely that you’re the kind of person that pays for a vpn.

Yups. You’re usually better off running one yourself.

My guess is they put it in the terms and conditions of the vpn.

What the title and bot don’t mention: They did so by installing spyware on phones of users of a vpn they acquired:

After Zuckerberg’s email, the Onavo team took on the project and a month later proposed a solution: so-called kits that can be installed on iOS and Android that intercept traffic for specific subdomains, “allowing us to read what would otherwise be encrypted traffic so we can measure in-app usage,” read an email from July 2016. “This is a ‘man-in-the-middle’ approach.”

What’s more:

Later, according to the court documents, Facebook expanded the program to Amazon and YouTube.

Obligatory this is why you shouldn’t use a free/cheap vpn.